Rape charges against transwoman Julianna Fialkowski dropped

Gwen Oliveira

Gwen Oliveira

Now 17 and legally emancipated Gwen Oliveira talks to PTG about the rape charges and writes a letter, hoping for closure.

April 21st, 2015 I wrote the first of what turned out to be many articles about trans advocate Julianna Fialkowski. In that post, I reported that  Fialkowski had by all accounts saved a transgender minor from an abusive home only to face arrest and the possibility of having her future ruined.

Then in September Claire-Renee Kohner utilizing her great investigative reporting skills broke the story about the arrest of Fialkowski on child pornography charges. That story very well could have gone unnoticed had it not been for a tip from one of our readers.

In October 2015. Fialkowski once again made our headlines. While waiting for trial on child pornography indictment, she was charged with felony rape of then minor Gwen Oliveira and held without bail.

Fialkowski had been indicted by a grand jury Oct. 5, 2014, on felony counts of rape, abduction with the intent to defile, strangulation and enticing another into a dwelling with intent to commit a felony. Those charges were dropped January 4th along with a misdemeanor assault charge said Deputy Commonwealth’s Attorney Bethany Harrison.

Fialkowski still faces eight felony counts of possession of child pornography, according to online Lynchburg Circuit Court records.

Prosecutors had elected to bring the case directly to the Grand Jury but dropped the charges citing ‘inconsistencies’ in following testimony from the victim.

“The messages detailed what happened during the assault, but who sent them has not yet been determined”, said Attorney Bethany Harrison.“There are a series of subpoenas for documents still pending that may or may not give us more information,” she said.

Accordingly the case could be reopened should new evidence come to light.

In a conversation, I asked Gwen Oliveira now 17 and legally emancipated, about the reported ‘inconsistencies’ in her testimony. The two according to Oliveira had been involved in ‘power exchange’ a form of S&M. I asked her if these inconsistencies could be chalked up to a court that didn’t know how to or just don’t want to talk about S&M.

“What I think it was, responded Oliveira “Was the fact that Julie and I had had a consensual relationship prior to the assault (march/April-ish) and my attorney said pretty much because the defense knew that the trial would be more traumatizing than the assault itself.”

The messages you see in this article were offered by Gwen Oliveira to Planet Transgender. Planet Transgender has not verified the origins of those messages.

Oft times those who publish with an agenda don’t tell the whole story. It’s so much easier to write about what would make people empathetic to your agenda.

Such is not the case for Planet Transgender. Our cause, the promotion of transgender rights, does not preclude or circumvent our responsibility to all human rights. In fact, this responsibility has energized our agenda as we find common cause with other advocates at the intersections of discrimination.

Gwen Oliveira, much to my surprise contacted us sometime after we published the first article. After such an experience it wouldn’t be unexpected if a Cisgender person held trans people in low esteem. But such was not the case with Gwen. Since then Gwen and I have built a solid friendship based on trust. Gwen asked for this opportunity to tell her story. I found that an amazing request and truly cathartic for all.

The following article is composed entirely by Gwen Oliveira and published unedited in whole. The views expressed in it are her’s alone.


Gwen Oliveira

Gwen Oliveira and Julianna Fialkowski.
Photo supplied by Oliveira.

Julianna ate my jellybeans.

By Gwen Oliveira.

I should have known from the day that Julianna Fialkowski ate two handfuls of my favorite jellybeans that I bought that she was going to be bad news. It was March, we’d just dyed my and her hair and she had a class to go to so before quickly running out on Louis, her bike she scooped up two handfuls of my butter popcorn jellie bellies (leaving me about 10) and headed out.

Julianna and I met January 24th, 2015 at a vigil she had put together for Leelah Alcorn, a trans girl who committed suicide early in December. My first impression of her was that she was a force to be reckoned with. Her turquoise hair and fierce aura is what initially drew me to her. I knew I had to be friends with her. That day at the vigil before leaving I told her thank you for putting this together and for being an advocate and she hugged me and said thank you darling, I noticed you in the crowd and you are stunning let’s catch up in Facebook. I thanked her and left knowing I needed to know her.

That night we chatted on Facebook for a few hours about things we were passionate about and little oddities about the two of us. That conversation wasn’t what sparked a friendship; it was a picture she posted on Facebook of a new hair cut, a sharp bob and it was dark blue. I commented and she messaged me and that’s how the whole thing began. We talked for hours and agreed to bring me to the tea and poetry reading she was doing that next day. This began a long few months of friendship. We were inseparable. We did everything together we rode put bikes and had sleepovers and went shopping and did everything you could imagine together. From what met the eye everything was perfect between the two of us from the end of January until the middle of June. Only it never was.

Julianna made sure to isolate me from all of our friends, she’d tell me “so and so hates you” and then tell all of our friends that I was some crazy person. She lied and told people that my partner at the time was physically abusing me and that I was a terrible person for staying. None of that was true. She completely isolated me from everyone. The sleepovers were the worst. When she thought I was asleep she would grope me, at the time I brushed it off as nothing more than my imagination or maybe she was just fixing my clothes then when push came to shove I realized it was never that innocent.

Julianna and I stopped being friends in the middle of June. My drinking had gotten out of hand and she found out I wasn’t telling her the truth about how bad it was getting. She told me she wanted nothing to do with me and I was horrible for lying to her about how bad it had gotten. I was crushed at the time but realized that it was my fault I lied to my best friend about my problem.

The beginning of August is what changed everything. Our friend group met up without Julie and realized all the terrible things she had been doing the entire time we were friends. She was constantly making up lies about me. She got violent and screamed at another person, she coerced another friend into kissing her. She manipulated, isolated, and hurt all of us. That was the final straw. We wrote a letter to the pastor of Unity in the seven hills regarding all of our concerns. The pastor shut down Julie’s group sanctuary and that was it. That’s when Julie had had it.

Alex threat

She messaged me that night and that’s when everything turned to shit. She blackmailed me into coming over by threatening a 15 year old living with her at the time. The next day she violently physically and sexually assaulted me. A few days later I filed charges with the help of an amazing support system. When it went public. All hell broke loose, she was being painted as a horrible person because she was trans not because she is a horrible person. Her gender plays no baring on her actions. The church, (unity in the seven hills) told me and my closest friends we were not welcome and that we were the bad ones. They paint us like we’re all crazy and practically worship Julie there. They’ve held prayer vigils for her.

This article is my closure it is my truth. Its my voice after not being allowed to have one for so long. Julie is the worst type of person. She was also my best friend. She is sick and she is terrible. And I finally am getting to say my piece after not being allowed to say anything for so long. She is a monster and I will never forget her but I am working really hard on forgiving her- for my sake not hers. Recovery is going to be a long road but at this point in my life I am happier than I’ve ever been with the people who surround me. Above all else I want to say: I am not julianna fialkowski’s victim anymore. I am a survivor.

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65 Responses to Rape charges against transwoman Julianna Fialkowski dropped

  1. Ballsack January 13, 2016 at 1:50 pm

    Blatant lies. If any of the readers here actually knew Julie you would never settle for this diatribe. Julianna is a light in the darkness and if you had heard the testimony refuting this so called “truth” you wouldn’t believe this horse load for a minute.

  2. Stop Lyin' January 13, 2016 at 3:16 pm

    This is unbelievable. Julia is innocent. I cannot believe the lies in this article. This isn’t journalism, it’s a smear piece.

  3. Don't listen to these commenters January 13, 2016 at 4:27 pm

    So called “light in the darkness” has abused other people too. I would know, since I was one of them. There wasn’t any fucking testimony refuting anything except for more and more lies trying to cover her ass. I shouldn’t expect more from people who lie about everything, though. The readers here should know there are levels to this entire thing. That the women surrounding Julianna are being manipulated by her lies, but are also liars themselves. Thats likely why “Julie” decided to shack up with one of them, from what I hear. Want to know something funny? Just months before she was telling people she didn’t think things would work out with her girl, asking if she could make plans moving with people to other places, how she couldn’t stand the house she was at or the people or even the little church that’s decided to make a space in her arse. But then when she finally slipped up, little psychopath that she is, she had to put on a big set of puppy eyes and pretend to love her so called “family”. It’s funny how that works, right? How people could know someone and not realize the manipulation they were under? It’s almost like people with antisocial personality disorder don’t want their cover ups to know the truth of their depravity…. GASP!!

    • Damn January 13, 2016 at 5:54 pm

      Go to bed, Gwen

      • Wow January 14, 2016 at 2:24 am

        Aw, how original! You immediately make the assumption that I’m Gwen to try to discredit my voice. That’s cute. Except, unless you’re even more ignorant than I previously believed, you would be able to notice a distinct difference in our writing style. You see, there are several people who have admitted to abuse from Julianna in one way or another. Maybe the lot of you would like the believe that’s not the case, but sadly it is. I try to not worry too awful much about it, seeing as fate has a funny way of dealing with people like yourselves. Karma is indeed a bitch, as they say.

        • Bye Felicia January 14, 2016 at 4:27 am

          Writing someone into your rape fantasy and then lying to police to get off on all the attention is some pretty low shit. I agree. Karma is a bitch.

          • cute January 14, 2016 at 6:41 am

            Raping someone and then trying to cover it up is some pretty low shit. I agree.

  4. So Wrong It's Funny January 13, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    This whole thing reads like a really bad obsessive fanfiction. What is this crap about jellybeans? This poor woman has been framed. This girl is a psychopath and an idiot who needs to be committed for mental evaluation. It all just looks like jealousy to me.

    • Roxanna April 18, 2016 at 6:34 am

      I’m grtaeful you made the post. It’s cleared the air for me.

      • Kailey August 2, 2016 at 10:24 pm

        Keep it coming, writres, this is good stuff.

    • creditos rapidos sin aval asnef October 25, 2016 at 2:41 pm

      Dle Karnoouh, cred că murdoc se referea la textul şi atitudinea Iuliei Hasdeu, nu la opera si atitudinea dvs. Vă puteţi da seama şi din faptul că murdoc indică anume cui se adresează, la începutul comentariului.

    • http://www./ November 15, 2016 at 10:03 pm

      That’s a smart way of thinking about it.

  5. Yvonne January 13, 2016 at 11:40 pm

    It’s a real shame that rapists get to have their charges dropped and they get to go free. It is also a shame that churches and so-called “people of god” support someone who preys on teenagers. People who sexually and physically assault anyone should be in jail away from the general public. I don’t understand how anyone can support this person. It could’ve been any one of your family members, your daughter, your sister, your niece. Imagine if this had happened to someone you love. Would you still be so supportive? This girl who was betrayed in the worst way by her “best friend” is to be commended. The bravery and courage in this article is not seen very often. It must’ve been hard to face these types of awful things. Love to you, Gwen and all of Fialkowski’s other victims.

  6. Mob mentality January 14, 2016 at 4:38 am

    It’s funny how all the commenters who are accusing Julia of being guilty have the same writing pattern. Like they all have to speak and long drawnout paragraphs like they’re on a soapbox and they need to convince you that what they’re saying is true because they know it isn’t. Or like they all the same person. Huh…

    • sick of y'all's bullshit January 14, 2016 at 6:42 am

      Or maybe we know it is true and were not going to be quiet about it. Sorry you want survivors to be quiet.

      • Get real January 14, 2016 at 6:54 am

        It’s sad that you people are using the fear and bravery of actual rape survivors to make this sociopath look like a victim. That is the biggest disrespect of this whole thing.

        • don't make me laugh January 14, 2016 at 7:20 am

          funny cause you’re defending a piece of shit who’s lied about being raped and married someone who’s lied about being raped

          • I feel sorry for you January 14, 2016 at 8:39 am

            Some day when you and your circle of friends are older and more mature, maybe even more empathic you’ll look back on all of this and realize how awful you’ve been. This whole episode is going to be a heavy burden of guilt for you for a long time. I only hope you’ll eventually be able to forgive yourselves.

  7. Blessings to you January 14, 2016 at 6:48 am

    This took alot of bravery. I pray for those affected. <3

  8. Just sayin January 14, 2016 at 6:57 am

    Julia fucking hates butter popcorn jelly beans.

  9. DB January 14, 2016 at 7:00 am

    I personally know all the people involved and I’m pretty sure this article is the closest thing to justice being served. Due to a psychopathic rapist, I have watched a beautiful, vibrant young person turn into someone who will never be the same. I hope to God that one day you supporters will stop being led blindly by this horrible woman. You are just pawns in Julianna’s game and she’s making fools of all of you. I pray she doesn’t do this to someone else. The real question here is how many people have to be hurt before you believe this woman is a disgusting child predator?

    • Kacy August 2, 2016 at 10:33 pm

      Good point. I hadn’t thoguht about it quite that way. 🙂

    • http://www./ November 3, 2016 at 5:34 pm

      Hi Bumble Bumble! How are you? I am trying to get better at developing scenes that are quick and have an arc. This is a hybrid of fiction & reality. (I won’t tell you which parts are real and which parts are fantasy.) I’ll just say that sometimes a good writing prompt can really help me write faster. Because I am so painfully slow. Thanks for “buzzing” by! (Did you see what I did there? I got a little punny.)

  10. Liz January 14, 2016 at 9:31 am

    WOW! Cheers to you for standing up for yourself. Dont listen to the haters (-;

  11. Burn Baby Burn January 14, 2016 at 9:40 am

    This article is full of blatant lies. This is not journalism. This writer took these girl’s words at face value without doing any checking around to verify. Mrs. Fialkowski is and always has been a powerful and compassionate activist for the trans community. When she refused to involve herself in the interpersonal drama of a bunch of stupid overzealous kids, they attacked her. When she refused to become the all-knowing trans martyr she wanted them to be, they forced that role upon her. When the Truth comes to light, this crazy stalker girl is going to burn.

  12. In response to a previous commenter January 14, 2016 at 9:45 am

    There is not a heavy burden of guilt anywhere in my path, not for this at least. Perhaps for the people who are protecting a rapist. I just do not understand how you can base your entire opinion of innocence on the fact that you like this person, where as I’m basing my opinion on personal experiences of violence with this person. Even if, in the event that I am somehow proven fully wrong, I do not feel any remorse for my actions. Because every word I’ve said is true. Maybe being lied to by a group of people for years does that to someone. Nonetheless, I am an adult, I am an empathetic person, and I do not feel remorse for this. I’ll look back on this in years from now and wonder how I suffered such vicious liars for so long. The fact that I still have nightmares about that woman and her actions, still fear being alone in certain places, have had my entire world view and religious ideas shaken at the very core, speaks volumes more to me than you thinking someone MUST be good because you care for them.

    • No offense but January 15, 2016 at 11:25 am

      It’s not simply that we care for Julia. We respect her. She has earned that respect through years of integrity and trust and honesty. That is what adults build their relationships off of. Julia never bullshits anyone. If she has a problem with something she lets you know upfront. Likewise she has never violated the trust built into our friendship. I trust that what she says is true because she’s never given me a reason to believe that she would lie. She’s been fully transparent about all the good and bad in her. The fact that you don’t understand this is proof enough to me that though you may be a legal adult, you are still emotionally a child. Once you grow up and have these kinds of relationships with people maybe you’ll understand. Maybe one day you’ll have a revelation about Gwen that she is not a trustworthy person. Maybe if your lucky you’ll get away from her in time before she causes you the same damage she had caused others. I truly hope you find the right path.

      • You're a funny one January 15, 2016 at 12:43 pm

        Don’t speak to me as if I’m a child simply because I have the intellect to know when someone could be a sociopath (a real one, not your apparent idea of what that is). A lot that you’ve said I know for a fact is bullshit considering none of those characteristics fit the Julianna I’ve known. She isn’t trustworthy, she talks about nearly everyone behind their back, and she doesn’t respect anything. She clearly doesn’t respect the law, or consent, or others humanity. I honestly feel a bit sorry for you all. It’s pathetic how much you believe a sociopath.

      • :) January 15, 2016 at 12:55 pm

        And, fyi, I’m well over a legal adult. I have my own place, a job, and a family. I’m not sure how old you’re assuming I am, but it’s funny that you’re saying this while defending someone who married a child.

        • Wow, emoticons in 2016 January 15, 2016 at 1:47 pm

          Thanks for proving my point.

        • Yikes January 15, 2016 at 3:20 pm

          I guess people can get old without growing up

    • Esther April 18, 2016 at 5:39 am

      That’s a brilliant answer to an inrtnestieg question

  13. So proud. January 14, 2016 at 12:30 pm

    I have seen the forensic evidence pictures taken after the assault and heard exactly what the forensic nurse said in regard to Gwen’s injuries sustained by Fialkowski. All evidence points to someone (graphic violence ) nearly broken ribs from being kicked several times, bruses on the thoat, thighs, ribs, face, and arms, violent tearing, and signs so prominient of strangulation its impossible to deny there was an extremely violent and forceful attack to the victim. There was no sign of consent and the tearing presented was tearing that coensides with rape victims with trauma as severe as this. What Gwen is doing is so brave and she deserves nothing but love and support. For those of you who are basing Fialkowski’s innocence sheerly on your opinions on her person and what she has told you, you haven’t seen the forensic evidence or the victim the night of her hospitalization.

  14. AlyxMarie January 14, 2016 at 2:47 pm

    I was almost a victim of Julie’s as well but I was lucky enough to be taken out. Gwen is so incredibly brave and I’m so proud of her and others for standing up against a psychopath and rapist. I only wish that justice would have been served for Gwen. Love you Gwenny and just know that I am here for you always:

    • sick and freaking tired January 22, 2016 at 11:57 am


      • Jesus January 22, 2016 at 10:10 pm

        That is Alyx, not Alex. Can any of you read?

        • Moon August 2, 2016 at 10:19 pm

          I’m not quite sure how to say this; you made it extmreely easy for me!

        • http://allweb.space/himasoku.com September 19, 2016 at 1:40 am

          Lol they always say its said in the bible..but when you bring up something in the bible they say your taking it out of context.Am I right or Am I right?

      • Damn January 22, 2016 at 10:12 pm

        Go to bed, Kenzie.

        • Aiden Tyler Sandy January 22, 2016 at 10:40 pm

          Wow Kenzie, paranoid much? There is more than one person named Alex in Lynchburg. Also, it’s spelled Alyx if you actually read the comment. Gwen is fearless and courageous and I am so proud of them for speaking out. You and your “tribe” are brainwashed and I hope that you all don’t fall victim to Julie as well. It could’ve been any of you. Keep that in mind. I’ll never stop supporting my wife and voicing the injustices that have happened within the justice system and that so-called “church” that supports rapists. Have a good day y’all!

  15. Don'tsayI'mGwen, Heavien ain't scared of anybody January 20, 2016 at 11:59 am

    I am incredibly proud of this young lady for writing this article.
    And incredibly disgusted at the people who’ve accused her of lying because of some “obsession”. But it’s actually pretty funny that all these people including Julio are ones that could be described as psychotic, compulsive liars, mothers with no type of backbone, and those of histrionic personality.
    No, I don’t personally know Julio but most of these people don’t know her either. Being friends with someone for less than a year does not mean you know a person. Thanks tribe members but we’re not shutting up.

  16. BCBG January 21, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    First…. use your real name if you are really that proud of her. ( or yourself really ) I’m not, and I am disgusted that she is dragging this transgender girl through the mud for her own gain and attention. But I expect nothing less…she is the master when it comes to manipulation. Everyone knows who goes to E.C. Glass w us and Dunbar. Unfortunately you all will eventually ‘get it,’ but then it will be too late, just like Juliana and countless others who have become Gwen’s victims. Good luck to everyone who knows her and if you get involved I can only say you were warned. Unfortunately, Kelli Busey didn’t take the time, as a journalist, to do her research……and as a result…another victim of Gwen’s lies. Just do your research and question EVERYTHING.

    • Reading comprehension is a thing you should have learned in high school January 22, 2016 at 10:08 pm

      They did use their real name. Did you not see the word Heavien there or..? What are they supposed to question? What part of “FORENSIC EVIDENCE” do you not understand? I’ve done a lot of research. I’ve looked way far back into Julie’s past. It’s sketchy at best, and horrible at worst. I mean, how many times does a woman have to lie in court before anyone thinks SOMETHING is a little weird? Whatever. I don’t even know why anyone bothers with you people, you’re all brainwashed.

    • Forensic evidence January 23, 2016 at 2:09 pm

      Here’s a crazy concept, do your research. If any of you were being told the truth by Fialkowski you’d know that all the forensic evidence points to her INCLUDING the fact that her DNA was on and in the victim. The size of the bruises on her ribs match the size of fialkowskis feet, the hand prints from her being strangled match the hand size of fialkowski and AGAIN Julianna’s DNA WAS FOUND ON AND IN THE VICTIM. the reason the charges were dropped was because of things that came up after the initial charges that would have been too traumatizing for the victim to go through and too much happened to the victim post attack that was inconsistent with the defense not with the testimony. Harrison (common wealth attorney) said herself that there were no cracks in the victims testimony or what happened. It was things that happened after that made the entire trial a lot harder for the victim to go through. So educate yourself and learn more than one side to the story.

    • whocares April 18, 2016 at 10:21 am

      If you weren’t there for what may or may not have happened, then shut up. You don’t know who’s lying, you don’t know who did what, you don’t know anything for sure. So i suggest you stop trying to prove yourself right on grounds that are purely opinionated.

      • Hmmm April 18, 2016 at 10:17 pm

        I smell hypocrisy.

      • Vinnie August 2, 2016 at 10:28 pm

        Your answer lifts the inigtlleence of the debate.

      • http://sitebuzz.tech/apkingdom.com October 7, 2016 at 11:12 am

        i had a relationship of 1 year…and all of a sudden my bf told me that his mom doesn’t agree with our relationship because we are of different race..i am an indian and he is a punjabi..why should his mom say it now when she knews about it earlier..and my bf’s mind has changed just because of his mom’s words..that realy hurts me alot..i dont know how can he just forget everything between us easily…i am jus suffering every second thinking of him..

        • R Tomasovic October 7, 2016 at 1:34 pm

          Dear SiteBuzz, the reason your mum should say it now when she knew about it earlier, is because she has something to hide. Find out what she is hiding, then you will have everything you need!

          Among other things, in my case, it’s because mother is an accessory to murder.

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  17. BCBG January 23, 2016 at 8:44 am

    Stop posting as other non existent people, Hwen.

    • This is Lee, stop talking about my best friends 👋🏽 January 23, 2016 at 1:51 pm

      I’m laughing at the fact that you think we’re not real people. Heavien is a person, Aiden is a person, I’m a person, and I’d suppose those other commenters are people as well. I know Alyx is. That’s just the few of us who’ve decided to comment. Go back to school, child. You need a few more years of schooling if you can’t spell “Gwen”. Y’all crack me up.

  18. BCBG January 23, 2016 at 8:45 am


  19. BCBG January 23, 2016 at 6:51 pm

    Again…..you’ll figure it out.Goodnight GWEN

    • Seriously go to bed January 23, 2016 at 7:46 pm

      Go to bed kenzie.

  20. Forensic Evidence my ass January 24, 2016 at 8:47 am

    The case was dropped because Gwen is a liar and ‘inconsistent’ and I can guarantee her ribs weren’t broken and YES if you have been sleeping with someone their DNA will be on you regardless of consent or not. You are defending a pathological liar and sociopath. Keep up the good work! I heard this is not the only rape case she has had in the past year or so. Do YOUR research when choosing friends. You or Aiden could be the next ‘rapist’.

    • SEMc January 24, 2016 at 10:53 am

      I’m speaking from a perspective close to Gwen and at one point julie and I can confirm gwen and julie were not sleeping together consensually during the time the assault happened (even though gwenand julie have both told me the two of them did sleep together consensualy around mid feburary-beginnung of april) but they in fact they’d stopped talking from June to august because of a fight they’d gotten into. And no her ribs weren’t broken but two were fractured. This is someone who has been best friends with her for 4 years and Gwen is in no way a perfect citizen but I know for fact this happened because she was not the same after and after four years of friendship I know damn well when she’s lying be it good or bad.

  21. J.S. February 29, 2016 at 9:12 pm

    Lies. All lies.

    • Seriously go to bed March 3, 2016 at 8:14 pm

      Go to bed Kenzie

      • Lola April 18, 2016 at 4:22 am

        This forum needed shkniag up and you’ve just done that. Great post!

  22. heavien. April 20, 2016 at 1:16 pm

    Let’s face it. Julio got off because she’s white.

  23. what a mess. April 26, 2016 at 8:47 pm

    I can’t even comprehend what’s going on here.
    Gwen is evil, Julie is evil… What am I missing?
    I’m reading such wildly different accounts that I no longer understand any of the details. A lot of people in the comments section seem intimately involved with the case.
    All I can say is that this would’ve been a messy, messy trial.
    I have no opinion, because I can’t grasp what’s happening.
    Can someone please give me some objectivity?

    • heavien April 27, 2016 at 3:07 pm

      In response to “what a mess”, i agree this is a mess. But i would not ask for any clarity from anyone who here. This is a very two-sided situation based on who likes whom, who is friends with whom. Like high school. I can only say that from MY personal experience being in the lives of people on BOTH sides, you cannot trust Julie’s story or her affiliates (i.e Julie’s wife and mother-in-law). I knew the people in example long before they met Julie and Gwen. I grew very close to them and within that time I learned that they were dishonest and two-faced. They lied to me and about me in the church (whose reverend supported Julie throughout the trials) and have done so to many other people that we know mutually. The people who have taken their side in this should take this as a warning: Those two, over the 5 years I’ve known them, have gone through “best friends” “adopted family members” and “soul mates” like toilet paper. I believe Gwen and no one else.

  24. No No No June 12, 2016 at 7:53 pm

    Go to bed Gwen! Or…oh ehem…Havien

    • More reading problems from this "tribe" June 21, 2016 at 12:10 am

      *Heavien. Unless you’re unsure how to spell things you see directly in front of you? Poor thing..